Sacks that weren't

[giaraid]

I looked at the play by play from my game vrs Ohio and although there were no "sacks" registered officially Pawalski was tackled for a loss 6 times when aparently Ohio called a run middle and Pawalski did a QB keep.  Not sure how or why they decided on that call but I guess they don't count them as sacks even though several of them were a loss of 6 yrds or more.  I also noticed the same for stambaugh although he ended up with positive yards.  Either these are the most active QB's running the ball since Mike Vick or there is something up with the play calling on this game.

[Mario ADK]

as far as i can remember when i played FBPRO97 myself: When a QB started off and "runs" to avoid a sack it is counted as a "run for a loss". Just if he waits to pass and is brought down it is counted as a sacks.

i may be wrong but i think that is the way it is counted and that explains why QBs have so many "runs"......

[Niki]

maybe it has someting to do where the QB is tackeled, in the pocket or out the pocket, but I also noticed this fact it still is funny

[Marco_Frankfurt]

I think the solution is more simple:

if the play called is a pass then its a sack, if its a run then a run for loss.

The game knows what kind of play it should have been and awards statistics
according to it. So a QB scrambling to find a WR should get sacked while he
is not if he is tackled before handing the ball of to the RB.

[Mario ADK]

No, i do not think so:

Austria's QB1 #2 Curt Anes runs for a loss of just over 7 yards. Anes is tackled by Berlin's DT1 #70 Vince Washington. Third and goal. That was Goal line pass (670) against Goal line pass (668).


BTW:
What do the 3- or 4digit numbers actually indicate? it is obvious that both theams always have similar, but almost never identical numbers?

[Paul-London]

I'm unsure how the game does it but to me the play might be a pass, if then the QB tucks the ball under his arm and runs then if hes tackled hes tackled for a 7 yard loss.

If hes going back to pass and then sacked its a sack.  If like i say he tucks the ball under his arm (so to speak) and starts trying to run out of the pocket its a sack.

Reminds me of the famous Brett Favre sack by Michael Strahan which was a complete joke, either way Favre went straight to the floor which to me was a loss by the QB but because Strahan then landed on him they gave him the sack

[Mario ADK]

I'm unsure how the game does it but to me the play might be a pass, if then the QB tucks the ball under his arm and runs then if hes tackled hes tackled for a 7 yard loss.

If hes going back to pass and then sacked its a sack.  If like i say he tucks the ball under his arm (so to speak) and starts trying to run out of the pocket its a sack.

my saying......
Nevertheless: For your own judging of your O-line you can count those "runs" as sacks....... PLUS: Even the most QB-runs for a win result from a sack-avoiding-run. horrible thought i got 4 "+3" equals 7 sacks last week.....

boy oh boy....... i am scared.....

[Marco_Frankfurt]

About the numbers:

Every possible situation is listed in the gameprofile for each team.

Lets say 4th quarter, 2 minutes left, inside 20 yards of scoring, 7 or less points behind, 3rd down and less then 3 yards.

That situation has a number and then depending on the teams profile a play will be chosen.
Lets say run-middle. From all run middle plays on your playbook, one will be chosen I think randomly
but it is possible that certain situation numbers result in certain plays I am not sure, maybe someone else
knows more.

So these numbers represent how each team judges the situation. If the number is equal or almost
then both teams have seen the situation the same. If not then the plays are different like
pass wide against run defense or the famous onside kick that nobody notice and the team
sends out the standard KOR-team

I hope I could help

[Mario ADK]

If the number is equal or almost
then both teams have seen the situation the same. If not then the plays are different like
pass wide against run defense or the famous onside kick that nobody notice and the team
sends out the standard KOR-team

I hope I could help

thanks, it helped a bit.... but.....

That was Run left
(207) against Pass short (207).   

[Paul-London]

I've seen that happen in Madden before.  Basically the QB turns around to give the ball to the RB or runs back a few years to hand off but a DT or DE goes through the line immediately and tackles the QB before he has a chance to hand it off.

Its not a sack just a loss for -7 yards etc.

[Marco_Frankfurt]

thanks, it helped a bit.... but.....

That was Run left
(207) against Pass short (207).   

Well that is exactly one of these cases where the individual team gameplan is concerned.

One team says lets say on first down we allways run.
The other team says on first down we expect our opponent to allways pass.

So the same situation is seen very different in both teams plans.

[jcompton-Orlando]

Yeah, we got more of this in the BIR/LON contest. Lytle had 7 "runs", all for losses, but no sacks registered against him.

At least he didn't fumble.

[Mario ADK]

We got some excellent QB-RBs out there:

ORL Romo: 133yds, #23 of all RBs
RALs Brown: 121y, #30
SA Bishop: 107y, #37
LON Lytle: 106y, #38
AUS Anes: 87y, #41
SAC Bowman: 83y, #42......

Comparison:
ORL QB Romo, 133yds, average 6,7yds(!!!)
AUS HB Jackson, 255y, average 2,7yds....

Hey, what is the price for Romo? I would start him at HB1 immediately......

[Niki]

two safties:

first: Rhein's QB1 #3 Dani Pegenaute is sacked by Amsterdam's DE1 #75 Cedric Scott
for a loss of almost 1 yard. Safety! That was Pass medium right (375)
against Run middle (375).

second: Rhein's QB1 #3 Dani Pegenaute runs for a loss of just over 3 yards.
Pegenaute is tackled by Amsterdam's DT1 #74 Clint Mitchell. Safety! That
was Run right (96) against Goal line pass (94).

one is a sack one is a run

[Mario ADK]

yep, correct. the second time they even called a run so it is of course not a sack....

[Niki]

oops I did not notice that, but what the hell did the qb do with that ball. I can understand that you are in your own endzone during a passing play but when you run the ball, you do a run middle not a run right on the other hand I can remember a similar play during the nfle season (if I am coorect week 2, amsterdam @ Frankfurt)

[Mario ADK]

stupid playcalling by Rheins offensive-coordinator or Head-Coach. Who hired them? Miguel?

Ok, he should be fired then.....