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[Niki]

Can we not base on another system: if you are active for 5 seasons (=70 games) you are on the list

[Mario ADK]

Can we not base on another system: if you are active for 5 seasons (=70 games) you are on the list

no as this would not fit to the "the best should be on top"-though.

let us leave it to what it is right now but change it to 25 an next season to 30. I agree with Paul

[Niki]

okay, it was just an idea based on more or less the regular number of season that someone has been a gm.

I found another 5 extra games, SA, three gm's, 14 seasons = 196 games but

S. Dalgleish 2 19 1 13
N. Henderson 5 39 0 31
Jason Hink 7 53 0 45

total 201 games

Now I need the help of Paul!

I think the error is with the Dalgleish record he has only been 2 seasons gm (=28 games) but his record shows 33 games. Since SA only had 1 draw in its history I think he was GM in season 1 and 2 the records of season 1 was 11-0-3 and season 2: 6-1-7

so it should be:
S. Dalgleish 2 17 1 10
N. Henderson 5 39 0 31
Jason Hink 7 53 0 45

total 196 games

do you agree paul?

other possibility is that he was also GM of SA in the first 5 games of season 3 in that case the record of Henderson has to be adjusted!

[Niki]

and another error is with paris, three GM's:

Andrew Batteye 14(!!!) 63 2 117
M. Campbell 2 (!) 3 0 7
F. Loret 2 2 0 12

Total 206 (should be 196)

Total paris record is 66-2-128

maybe andrew can remember when he left and joined the league exactley (hope hope) then we have a diff of only 2

[Mario ADK]

right now you have a count of 18(!) instead of 14... obviously it should be
Loret 1 season (14 games)
Campell 1 season
Battye 12 season

plus i assume the diff of 10 games comes from a doublecount of Campell/Battye and that those games would therefore have to be deducted from Andrews records so you would have 196 games:

Loret 2-0-12
Campell 3-0-7
Battye (obviously took over frem Campell during season #2 after week 10: 60-2-110)
==> Andrew, do you know when you EXCATLY joined the league?

so paris total of 65-2-129.... Niki how come you say it is 66-2-128?

can you check season 1 and the record of first 10 games of season 2 - i got my baby boy with me and it is a little stressful right no.... :-)

but stop: Paris´ record was 3-11 in season one and 4-10 in season two....

Campell: 3-7 in season one ==> Loret
Loret: 0-4 in season one and 2-8 in season two? ==> Battye
Battye 2-2 in season three plus all the other games?

ist that correct then? no it is not as Paris did not start 3-7 in season one but 2-8..... DAMN!

Anyway: We should not mind the records of Loret and Campell as they had just a couple of games. The only important thing is: WHEN EXACTLY did Andrew join?

That should solve all the problems.....

[Andrew-Neutral]

and another error is with paris, three GM's:

Andrew Batteye 14(!!!) 63 2 117
M. Campbell 2 (!) 3 0 7
F. Loret 2 2 0 12

Total 206 (should be 196)

Total paris record is 66-2-128

maybe andrew can remember when he left and joined the league exactley (hope hope) then we have a diff of only 2

Right - he goes - the official history. I was GM of Paris at the start of the FWL - I left midway through season 2 and Michael Campbell took over.

Sometime during season 3, Fabian Loret took over from Michael. Then in season 4, I rejoined as co-GM with Fabian. We were co-GM through season 4 and the start of season 5, when Fabian resigned and I took sole charge again.

[Niki]

so teh best suggestion is to reduce those winns and losses form your record, as Mario already wrote above

[Andrew-Neutral]

I've successully got my "all time head-to-head results" PHP script working on the new computer and so will generate an updated file tonight. I'll post it on my webserver and provide a link via the forum.

Apologies for the delay - a couple of problems have arisen. Firstly, there is a bug in the PHP script - it relies on there being a space between each result in the "sched.html" files. This is OK most of the time, but if the two teams with the longest names (Raleigh-Durham and San Antonio) play each other, both score over 9 points, and the game goes to overtime, then the space is not shown. This chain of events happened in Season 13 and so one result got missed.

The other problem is I've got a new computer and all the settings for my FTP program are on the old one. I can't remember the password for my webserver, so can't upload any files. I've asked for the password to be reset, so the results should be available soon.

I've also transferred all the results into a MySQL database which may end up on the webserver. I can then write some little PHP pages to pull results out of the database - but don't hold your breath. This could take a while.

[Niki]

Niki how come you say it is 66-2-128?

easy use excel but all season records in a file and let excel do the work

1 3-11
2 4-10
3 2-10
4 6-8
5 7-6-1
6 7-7
7 2-12
8 5-9
9 4-9-1
10 6-8
11 3-11
12 4-10
13 6-8
14 7-7

total 66-128-2

but looking at the history, I think we have to reduce the numbers from Andrew's records.

Another reason for Jason to stay: with 4 more wins, he can be the 3rd GM with a 100 or more regular season vics

[David-Montreal]

btw: i am now 75/36/1 in reg season that means i had more than twice as much wins as losses. This makes me #2 among the living GMs behind Marco. Nice stats :-)

If I played in the "Cream-Cheese" conference I would be #1 all-time.  Good luck to you.  I am just happy to see Marco at #1.

[Mario ADK]

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Cmon, David please stop pretending that the AFC is superior to the EFC. The EFC is 7-6 all time in FWL-Bowls and will be 8-6 after this weeks bowl.

Playoffteams vs. other conference in season#14:
AFC total: 5-4
NY: 2-0
Ohio: 1-1
San Antonio: 1-1
Montreal: 1-2(!)

EFC total: 8-2
Frankfurt: 3-0
Austria: 2-0
Amsterdam: 2-1
London: 1-1

AFC Playoff-teams vs. EFC playoff-teams in season #14:
AFC total: 1-4
NY: no game
Ohio: 1-1
San Antonio: 0-1
Montreal: 0-2(!)

EFC total: 4-1
Frankfurt: 2-0
Austria: 1-0
Amsterdam: 1-0
London: 0-1

EFC-top-teams are totally dominating over the AFC-top-teams. And as you can see by the head-to-head comparison it is NOT a question of strengh of schedule.

You better think twice, hey? Given your record against the EFC-teams your saying is quite strange....

But i admit AFC was the stronger Conference when i returned (i cannot judge my "off-seasons" as i did not follow FWL that much) - but things have changed due to the rise of Amsterdam, London and - of course - Austria.

Good Job, EFC-GMs! We are back!

[Niki]

When I joined the league in season 9, I think the EFC (must say the German teams) dominated the league, the last past years the AFC (San Antonio, Montreal and Sacremento) dominated the year but I think the last two years both are from the same.

Well a fact is that in the beginning of the FWL some GM's made a real superior teams partly due to the fact of miss management of other GM's. If you now look many teams that are not in the PO could have been with some more luck and other teams could not have made it the other way around. Looking at the GM records, most of the GM's have a record around the .500 what is a good sign

[Paul-London]

I like the way its been in the FWL

For years in the NFL the NFC was the better conference, then it switched to the AFC

In the FWL the EFC was the better conference to begin with, but with the rise of Montreal, then SA, then Sac and NY the AFC took the crown.  At the moment i think its a pretty close thing, the AFC still is very tough with 4 teams with winning records, the EFC had 4 teams also with winning records.

Last year the AFC had 4 teams with winning records, no teams with double digit wins, in the EFC there were just 3 teams with winning records but 2 with double digit wins

I think the EFC is slowly catching up with the AFC

For me one of the best teams of all time were the Montreal Machine of Season 12.  Their division had a 12-2 team, a 10-4 team also.  One of the toughest divisions of all time

[Mario ADK]

For me one of the best teams of all time were the Montreal Machine of Season 12.  Their division had a 12-2 team, a 10-4 team also.  One of the toughest divisions of all time

yep i agree. MON, SAN and SAC where incredibly strong when i came back and in fact the first two still are but SAC faded. Nevertheless AFCs top three MON, SAN and NY are a huge force.

But as you said: EFC was catching up and this season stats even say that AFC needs to catch up a little ;-)

You can always have a discussion about "best ever". But looking back i think my ADK-team in my final season (#5) was the best team ever in a single season even with a "poor" record of "just" 11-3 and even if (once again) Frankfurt was kicking us out in the POs.

Austria was leading in virtually ALL statistical categories:
#1 W/L record
#1 in passing
#1 in passing against
#1 in rushing
#1 in rushing against
#1 in punt returns against
#1 in kickoff-returns
#1 in kickoff-returns against
#2 in first downs (#1 in 3rd down conversions, #2 in 4th down conversions)
#1 in first downs opponents
#1 in scoring
#1 in scoring against
#2 in total yards (#2 in rushing, #1 in passing)
#1 in total yards against (#1 passing, #1 rushing)
#2 in time of possetion

The nice thing about it was that no ADK-players (exception: QB) led any statistical category so that was total team-effort.

Pity i did not win the Bowl or not even the EFC. But hey, that is how POs go. But i think my team deserved it - but i can remember that i was VERY VERY upset back then 

I decided to leave after the loss against Frankfurt as i had nothing left to achieve and other things took over in my life. What i really did NOT like is that another GM grabbed my team and won the Bowl the season after. Quite unfair. But so be it.

But this season #5 and this ADK-team is worthwile to remember. At least i will always remember it and if i do a little thinking i guess i can still memorize each and every starter on both sides of the ball.

My dream-team.

[Marco_Frankfurt]

I think its too bad that the program does not allow the interconference matches to rotate thru both divisions.

But so we will never have the possibility to see lets say Austria against Montreal (except in the Bowl).

I never played Ohio in a regular season game and NY, Orlando only once. But 9 times I played Raleigh.

[Mario ADK]

that´s not quite correct: Austria already played against Montreal. But i admit that was back in season #1.

But given history, i should play both NY and Ohio in season #15 - duh.... that is going to be very, very tough.....

[Paul-London]

I decided to leave after the loss against Frankfurt as i had nothing left to achieve and other things took over in my life. What i really did NOT like is that another GM grabbed my team and won the Bowl the season after. Quite unfair. But so be it.

Well we went from one extreme to the other, Bruce Henderson took over Austria, didnt have to do much and they won it all that year.  Then we had David Bridson who tore the team apart and was the opposite.

Its a pity you left when you did as Austria would have reigned supreme for quite a while !

When you look back at the old Austria rosters they were brilliant and had a ton of depth, same with some of the early Montrael rosters now, if you look at those a lot of backups/starters now are playing well for other teams.

Going to be interesting to see what happens when Bishop/Wuerrfel both have their skills declining, but then again it hasnt happened much to Pat Barnes. 

[Mario ADK]

Going to be interesting to see what happens when Bishop/Wuerrfel both have their skills declining, but then again it hasnt happened much to Pat Barnes. 

David is a genius-GM who is excellent in keeping hs team to a very high level.... and he has got his future QB1 in Ragone already. But Ragone is young, needs some time AND David could get severe problems if Ragone gets injured.....

I am quite surprised that Jason did not sign or trade for a future-star-QB as both his QBs might have reduced skills. Van Dyke still needs time to gel. I expect San Antonio to be less dominating next season as there are some key-players on the edge of retirment or reduced skills....

BTW:
Frankfurt will win this Bowl but faces severe aging-problems next season. I do not see that with NY that much. Montreal has only "mild" problems as well. Could be a NY/AUS - domination in the two conferences? We will see.....

[Paul-London]

Well from what i've seen of Jason.H hes very loyal to his players. In another league his starting QB is also Michael Bishop !

I think its good again the mix of people we have, Andreas over at Berlin has been starting Barnes forever which i love.  Other GM's would instantly get rid of him and sit him on the bench for 2 seasons and then leave him on the FA list.  Each to their own

But after what Barnes has done i'm glad hes still playing and doing well.  I get sad when greats such as Thabiti Davis have 1000 yard seasons after 1000 yard seasons and then what did he have this year ?  Just 4 catches or so, shame.  Same with Chad Dukes, 2nd leading rusher of all time , looks like hes consigned to a backup forever now.

For me personally i'll be starting my favourite players till they retire, eg DE Mark Word/Earl Riley/Kinnon Tatum and Mark Brown.  Even if i have some better players these old famous vets will keep playing.

I think San Antonio are okay, Bishop next year will be in his 8th season and many other teams have shown you that a veteran QB can still do well.  In 2 seasons or so van Dyke might be challenging for the starting role.

I think Davids quite loyal as well as his veterans (Fields/Akers) were starting in their last seasons.  Danny Wuerrfel is the leagues 'Joe Montana/Tom Brady' so i think David will probably carry on starting him for a while.

I think some people are too hasty with some decisions, look at Curt Anes, after his first season in Austria you could have easily benched him forever but he bounced back.  Kerry Collins of the Raiders had his first real bad game this week, my Raiders friend wants him benched for the rest of the season !  Just because of one lousy game !

Same with players, look at some QB's and the season they had and sometimes they had a bad year but often can bounce back.  I'm glad i carried on starting Todd Bouman, he did well this year despite no rushing attack for most of the year. 

I think Austria this year were the first ever 12-2 team to start 3 different QB's !  Unless it was because of injury i wouldnt mess with a winning team. 

[Mario ADK]

I think Davids quite loyal as well as his veterans (Fields/Akers) were starting in their last seasons.  Danny Wuerrfel is the leagues 'Joe Montana/Tom Brady' so i think David will probably carry on starting him for a while.

I see he has got 3(!) 2nd rounders (1 medium, 2 late). He should do well in aquiring some good stuff.

I opted for going for the "big fish" instead which i also did last season. Was a risky move but it paid off....

Different approach. We will see..... Looking forward for the draft already.