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Title: Draft Order Post by: Paul-London on May 05, 2006, 04:20:47 AM I forget if we've sorted the draft order out or not, here is the one the computer came out with...
Orlando Mexico Paris Barcelona Berlin London Raleigh-Durham Rhein Sacramento Ohio Frankfurt Birmingham Scotland Montreal New York Amsterdam San Antonio Austria Any changes to that ? Title: Re: Draft Order Post by: Mario ADK on May 05, 2006, 07:33:28 AM yeah, put Austria #1,
thanks Title: Re: Draft Order Post by: Paul-London on May 05, 2006, 07:53:19 AM Wheres Niki when you need him, hes good with these lists !
Birmingham should be 15th as they were the AFC Championship game runners up. Title: Re: Draft Order Post by: Mario ADK on May 05, 2006, 10:12:01 AM cmon paul we have been discussing this for weeks before last draft until we came to a conclusion how the FWL-draft should be ordered.
simple dig in the forum archives and take a look at yourself. no need to discuss this once again? Title: Re: Draft Order Post by: Mario ADK on May 05, 2006, 10:14:18 AM cmon paul we have been discussing this for weeks before last draft until we came to a conclusion how the FWL-draft should be ordered. simple dig in the forum archives and take a look at yourself. no need to discuss this once again? here it is: http://fwl.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=336.msg2478#msg2478 funny enough the thread was called "draft order" as well ;D Title: Re: Draft Order Post by: Paul-London on May 05, 2006, 03:41:37 PM I did a search for draft order and it came up with tons of other links to the season before
Title: Re: Draft Order Post by: velcro on May 06, 2006, 04:27:13 AM Can we some how produce a full blown draft list now and number the picks? That way any picks traded will be exactly identified and we'll avoid the trouble we had last year at draft time?
Is the draft order the same for all therouds - I know in the NFL it isn't? Title: Re: Draft Order Post by: velcro on May 06, 2006, 04:54:28 AM Ok assuming the darft order doesn't change between rounds, the full draft list should look like this. There are probably errors as I've done it real quick, but we now have an idea :-)
Round Pick Original Actual 1 1 Orlando Orlando 1 2 Mexico Mexico 1 3 Paris Paris 1 4 Barcelona Barcelona 1 5 Berlin Berlin 1 6 London London 1 7 Raleigh-Durham San Antonio 1 8 Rhein Rhein 1 9 Sacramento Sacramento 1 10 Ohio Ohio 1 11 Frankfurt Frankfurt 1 12 Birmingham Birmingham 1 13 Scotland Scotland 1 14 Montreal Montreal 1 15 New York Austria 1 16 Amsterdam Amsterdam 1 17 San Antonio San Antonio 1 18 Austria Raleigh-Durham 2 19 Orlando Orlando 2 20 Mexico Mexico 2 21 Paris Rhein 2 22 Barcelona Austria 2 23 Berlin San Antonio 2 24 London Sacremento 2 25 Raleigh-Durham Austria 2 26 Rhein Rhein 2 27 Sacramento San Antonio 2 28 Ohio London 2 29 Frankfurt Mexico 2 30 Birmingham Birmingham 2 31 Scotland Scotland 2 32 Montreal Paris 2 33 New York New York 2 34 Amsterdam San Antonio 2 35 San Antonio San Antonio 2 36 Austria New York 3 37 Orlando Orlando 3 38 Mexico Mexico 3 39 Paris Montreal 3 40 Barcelona London 3 41 Berlin Berlin 3 42 London London 3 43 Raleigh-Durham Rhein 3 44 Rhein Amsterdam 3 45 Sacramento Birmingham 3 46 Ohio Ohio 3 47 Frankfurt Montreal 3 48 Birmingham Birmingham 3 49 Scotland Scotland 3 50 Montreal Montreal 3 51 New York Montreal 3 52 Amsterdam San Antonio 3 53 San Antonio San Antonio 3 54 Austria New York 4 55 Orlando Orlando 4 56 Mexico Mexico 4 57 Paris Austria 4 58 Barcelona Birmingham 4 59 Berlin Austria 4 60 London Amsterdam 4 61 Raleigh-Durham Paris 4 62 Rhein Rhein 4 63 Sacramento Sacramento 4 64 Ohio Ohio 4 65 Frankfurt Austria 4 66 Birmingham Birmingham 4 67 Scotland Scotland 4 68 Montreal Frankfurt 4 69 New York New York 4 70 Amsterdam Paris 4 71 San Antonio San Antonio 4 72 Austria San Antonio 5 73 Orlando Amsterdam 5 74 Mexico Mexico 5 75 Paris Montreal 5 76 Barcelona Barcelona 5 77 Berlin Rhein 5 78 London San Antonio 5 79 Raleigh-Durham Frankfurt 5 80 Rhein Rhein 5 81 Sacramento Montreal 5 82 Ohio Ohio 5 83 Frankfurt Austria 5 84 Birmingham Barcelona 5 85 Scotland Scotland 5 86 Montreal Montreal 5 87 New York New York 5 88 Amsterdam Amsterdam 5 89 San Antonio San Antonio 5 90 Austria New York 6 91 Orlando Orlando 6 92 Mexico Mexico 6 93 Paris Berlin 6 94 Barcelona Barcelona 6 95 Berlin Berlin 6 96 London London 6 97 Raleigh-Durham Raleigh-Durham 6 98 Rhein Rhein 6 99 Sacramento Sacramento 6 100 Ohio Ohio 6 101 Frankfurt Frankfurt 6 102 Birmingham Barcelona 6 103 Scotland Scotland 6 104 Montreal Montreal 6 105 New York New York 6 106 Amsterdam Amsterdam 6 107 San Antonio San Antonio 6 108 Austria Raleigh-Durham 7 109 Orlando Orlando 7 110 Mexico Mexico 7 111 Paris Montreal 7 112 Barcelona Barcelona 7 113 Berlin Berlin 7 114 London London 7 115 Raleigh-Durham Amsterdam 7 116 Rhein Rhein 7 117 Sacramento Sacramento 7 118 Ohio Ohio 7 119 Frankfurt Raleigh-Durham 7 120 Birmingham Birmingham 7 121 Scotland Scotland 7 122 Montreal Montreal 7 123 New York New York 7 124 Amsterdam Amsterdam 7 125 San Antonio San Antonio 7 126 Austria Raleigh-Durham 8 127 Orlando Orlando 8 128 Mexico Mexico 8 129 Paris Berlin 8 130 Barcelona Barcelona 8 131 Berlin Berlin 8 132 London London 8 133 Raleigh-Durham Amsterdam 8 134 Rhein Rhein 8 135 Sacramento Paris 8 136 Ohio Ohio 8 137 Frankfurt Amsterdam 8 138 Birmingham Birmingham 8 139 Scotland Scotland 8 140 Montreal Montreal 8 141 New York New York 8 142 Amsterdam Amsterdam 8 143 San Antonio San Antonio 8 144 Austria Raleigh-Durham Title: Re: Draft Order Post by: David-Montreal on May 06, 2006, 12:18:09 PM I know everytime I speak up, it sounds like a complaint, however...
Last year or the year before, did we not discuss that since teams won in the playoffs, they would be seated above teams that lost, even if by worse record? So that should have me drafting ahead of Birmingham, because they won the 1st round game against me. Title: Re: Draft Order Post by: Paul-London on May 06, 2006, 01:58:10 PM I agree, i'm sure we've always done it like that, as Birmingham made it to the AFC Game they pick after Montreal, thats the same in the NFL i believe.
Ross - Yep in the NFL it seems to change the order every round but every season in the FWL we've always had the same order so your list seems to be correct but Montreal should pick ahead of Birmingham 18th ranked team - FWL champs 17th ranked team - FWL Bowl runners up 16th and 15th ranked team AFC / EFC Champions runner up Title: Re: Draft Order Post by: Mario ADK on May 06, 2006, 02:35:27 PM To all:
We discussed draft order in detail last season in the forum and came to a conclusion how the FWL would adopt NFL-rules (wicht one exception). Here is the link once again: http://fwl.pocketplane.net/index.php?topic=336.msg2478#msg2478 Regarding Davids post: David is right, we (FWL) always applied that principle that WC-losers pick ahead of WC-winners and it is - as far as i understand it now - an exeption of adopting NFL-rules. NFL-rules FIRST do this...... 1. The Super Bowl winner (Austria) is last and the Super Bowl loser San Antonio) next-to-last. but the rest is based on the W/L-record, just as David himself stated in the old discussion in the thread above: Does not matter that I beat NY on the road in the playoffs... an 8-6 Wild Card team does not draft behind two 11-3 Division winners!!!!!! The Overall winner goes last, the Championship loser goes 2nd to last. The rest is by record. ....and here is the NFL-tiebreaker in case of identical W/L-records..... 2. Any non-Super Bowl playoff club involved in a tie shall be assigned priority within its segment below that of non-playoff clubs and in the order that the playoff clubs exited from the playoffs. Thus, within a tied segment a playoff club that loses in the Wild-Card game will have priority over a playoff club that loses in the Divisional playoff game, which in turn will have priority over a club that loses in the Conference Championship game. If two tied clubs exited the playoffs in the same round, the tie is broken by strength of schedule. If any ties cannot be broken by strength of schedule, the divisional or conference tie breakers, whichever are applicable, are applied. Any ties that still exist are broken by a coin flip. So using our exeption-rule the draft order among Playoff-teams would be #18 Austria (Bowl) #17 San Antonio (Runner-up) =========== #16 Amsterdam (13-1) #15 Birmingham (9-7) ============ #14 New York (12-2) #13 Montreal (10-4) #12 Scottish (9-5) #11 Frankfurt (8-6) ============ Rest according to 1) W/L and in case of a tie 2) Strengh of schedule...... (i am too lazy right now to check this....) Just to compare: If we would NOT use this exepton it would be: #18 Austria (Bowl) #17 San Antonio (Runner-up) =========== #16 Amsterdam (13-1) #15 New York (12-2) #14 Montreal (10-4) #12/ 13 Birmingham (9-5) / Scottish (9-5) (depending on strengh of schedule) #11 Frankfurt (8-6) ============ Hope everything is clear now.... Title: Re: Draft Order Post by: Paul-London on July 19, 2006, 04:06:16 AM So whats the final order ? Just want the list of 1-18 before i do the FWL draft page
Orlando Mexico Paris Barcelona Berlin London Raleigh-Durham Rhein Sacramento Ohio Frankfurt Birmingham Scotland Montreal New York Amsterdam San Antonio Austria ????? Title: Re: Draft Order Post by: Mario ADK on July 19, 2006, 08:52:44 AM cmon Paul this has been discussed in detail below.... ::) ::) ::)
Do not know how you created you list but recording to OUR rules it would be (order by TEAMs, not by GMs holding other teams picks!) Orlando Mexico Paris Barcelona Berlin London Raleigh-Durham Rhein Sacramento Ohio ************ Frankfurt Scotland Montreal New York ********** Birmingham Amsterdam *********** San Antonio ********** Austria ********* i trhink we all agreed several times now that - as an exeption to NFL-rules - in FWL the WC-losers pick ahead of the WC-winners..... Title: Re: Draft Order Post by: Paul-London on July 19, 2006, 09:54:52 AM There were just lots of threads/posts and i due to not having tons of time i just wanted the order. I'll put the order tomorrow on the draft order of full picks so everythings much clearer after the various trades etc
Title: Re: Draft Order Post by: Paul-London on July 20, 2006, 06:59:35 AM Draft tracker is now online and is correct as of 20th July
http://www.fwl.org.uk/draft.htm Title: Re: Draft Order Post by: Aztecs on July 20, 2006, 01:51:39 PM So whats the final order ? Just want the list of 1-18 before i do the FWL draft page Orlando Mexico Paris Barcelona Berlin London Raleigh-Durham Rhein Sacramento Ohio Frankfurt Birmingham Scotland Montreal New York Amsterdam San Antonio Austria ????? Hmmmm. I just checked out the draft tracker and looks like Mexico somehow got dropped from second to third in the draft. ??? Title: Re: Draft Order Post by: Mario ADK on July 20, 2006, 04:07:57 PM as the PC most likely won´t have changed its decision it is paul who has either announced the wrong order in his first announcement "months" ago by falsely putting Mex ahead of PAR or he made a mistake right now.
the PC will tell us... Paul? P.S.: Witch the lack of super-super-talents in this draft there is no harm done anyway wether one picks 2nd or 3rd.... Title: Re: Draft Order Post by: Paul-London on July 21, 2006, 03:13:38 AM Yeah my mistake, Mexico should be 2nd so i'll amend that.
Mario - The draft isnt that bad this year. In the NFL you dont get top talent year in year out, it would be unrealistic if we had the best rookies every year and as we've seen if you put too good rookies in the league it can mess things up, teams/players get way too good and the stats get worse and worse. David/Jason have been doing a league for years and know about this problem. As a GM its easy to say 'rookies are rubbish' but i would rather have the rookies down a peg or two to be realistic and to make sure the league runs properly. Check out any NFL team, might have 1 or 2 rookie starters but never 4 or 5. I think the draft crop is a decent bunch, not as good as last year when last years was too good. Got some instant starters and a lot of players who just like the NFL will probably start in their second year. Title: Re: Draft Order Post by: Paul-London on July 21, 2006, 03:44:18 AM as the PC most likely won´t have changed its decision it is paul who has either announced the wrong order in his first announcement "months" ago by falsely putting Mex ahead of PAR or he made a mistake right now. the PC will tell us... Paul? P.S.: Witch the lack of super-super-talents in this draft there is no harm done anyway wether one picks 2nd or 3rd.... It had Mexico at #2 all along , just my mistake when i typed them into the draft page yesterday. As you drop down from 2nd to 3rd i'm sure you wont mind ! Title: Re: Draft Order Post by: Mario ADK on July 21, 2006, 03:00:48 PM Mario - The draft isnt that bad this year. I NEVER SAID THAT!!! i am one of those who think all of our players are a bit overrated, so i think this "lowlight" draft is quite ok in order to balance it a little bit out. i had soooo much luck in the last drafts with my high picks i really do not bother that in this my high pick won´t buy me an instant starter (not even a future superstar)- just because the other players that will come after my picks are worse.... The downside is that i fear that a sleeper might end up as "the superstar" as it is easy for sleepers to top the best players in the draft once the sleepers are upgraded.... Title: Re: Draft Order Post by: Paul-London on July 21, 2006, 07:13:22 PM I'll make sure the sleepers wont be better than say the first 5 players of round 1 but they will be decent though.
Already got my list of 5 sleepers and 3 negative sleepers ready ! Paypal me 100 pounds and the list is yours ! ;) Title: Re: Draft Order Post by: Mario ADK on July 22, 2006, 02:21:23 AM I'll make sure the sleepers wont be better than say the first 5 players of round 1 but they will be decent though. Already got my list of 5 sleepers and 3 negative sleepers ready ! Paypal me 100 pounds and the list is yours ! ;) no problem paul, i easily can afford those 160 €. I even bet 100€ on the 4:1-underdog in todays eurobowl against the 1:1,25 favourites (as you are british and UK-(am)-Football is far off from beeing successful: Eurobowl is the european championship-game in (amateur) football and Austrias Vienna Vikings host Paris Flash today with an expected attendance of at least 5000. The Vikings are reigning european champs and huge favourite. The game is televised LIVE in Austria (!!!) and you can watch it as well via satellite on "TW1"..... (==> maybe you pass this info on to your british football-pals,they might be interested in watching it???) Title: Re: Draft Order Post by: Paul-London on July 22, 2006, 11:34:44 AM I used to follow the Eurobowl many years ago when the London Ravens were the best team in the UK, they were undefeated for about 60 games and in that time were successful in the Eurobowl as well. In the heyday of the game in the UK there were tons of british teams, great players also. Saints headcoach Sean Payton played QB for the Leicester Panthers in 1987, Herschel Walkers brother Lorenzo Walker also played Britball.
HB James Brooks, ex Bengals legend moved to Sheffield, England and played a few games for the local side as well Title: Re: Draft Order Post by: Mario ADK on July 22, 2006, 04:30:02 PM just to finish this off:
Vienna Vikings won 41-9 in a rather one-sided game in front of 5000 fanatic fans. Autrian Teams won both Eurotitles: Eurobowl and EFAF-Cup (= similar to soccers UEFA-cup). But the most astonishing fact: We played our "beloved" german neighbours 5 times in euro-competitions this season and ended up with a 5-0 record against them. All in all Austria ist not only ruling the FWL-world but also is the top-nation of (non-pro) football in Europe. Impressive, hey :) :) :) :) :) :) |